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there is new intrigue in the fight over the fiscal cliff talks today. both sides have messages out this morning that seem to echo the same old position. this on the heels of president obama holding a campaign-style event in suburban philadelphia to sell his solution. he said if congress does not extend the bush tax cuts for the middle class, everyone's taxes will go up january 1st. >> i'm assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> meanwhile house speaker john boehner says the latest proposal from the white house would cripple the economy. the plan calls for a boost in revenue by $1.6 trillion over the next decade. >> they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean it's, it's -- not a serious proposal. so right now we're almost nowhere. >> >> mike viqueira joins us live from the white house. where is almost nowhere? >> it's inside the beltway and it's business as usual. it's also december 1st, alex, and
there is new intrigue in the fight over the fiscal cliff talks today. both sides have messages out this morning that seem to echo the same old position. this on the heels of president obama holding a campaign-style event in suburban philadelphia to sell his solution. he said if congress does not extend the bush tax cuts for the middle class, everyone's taxes will go up january 1st. >> i'm assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for...
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. >>> apparent progress in the so-called fiscal cliff talks. it appears both sides may be digging in their heels. nbc's mike viqueira joins me from the white house with the very latest. if there's anything new to report. seems like everyone is in their own separate corners, mike. >> reporter: it's no longer november. this is december 1st. it's a new month, the last month before we go over the fiscal cliff. now both sides after a lot of bipartisan talk of compromise in that post-election period, alex, it turns out what we have now a typical washington standoff. >> the president of the united states. >> reporter: visiting a toy factory outside philadelphia, the president urged congress to act and avoid the fiscal cliff. if not, he says, taxes go up for everyone, including the middle class. >> it's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> reporter: with the election over the president has begun a new kind of campaign, for votes in congress. a series of white house meetings with business leaders, a grassro
. >>> apparent progress in the so-called fiscal cliff talks. it appears both sides may be digging in their heels. nbc's mike viqueira joins me from the white house with the very latest. if there's anything new to report. seems like everyone is in their own separate corners, mike. >> reporter: it's no longer november. this is december 1st. it's a new month, the last month before we go over the fiscal cliff. now both sides after a lot of bipartisan talk of compromise in that...
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everyone i talked to in washington wants to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. and most importantly, they don't want to get the blame for it. that's why republicans will probably be motivate d to negotiate with the white house. it might be christmas eve, but in the end, that's what's going to bring them to the table. >> he said after a week or two, there would be the negotiations. he said instead of a cliff, it was like a curb. david, if americans, though, are going to blame the gop more so than the president, how much leverage does that give the president as negotiations are underway? >> i think it gives him substantial leverage right now. that's why you see him not revealing all his cards saying you have to come to us. speaker ba speaker boehner has to start with this. e he would look his speakership. and said sure, mr. president, we lost the election. this has to be his starting position. it's only december 2nd. we have a month, i think, lindsey graham saying we're going to go over the cliff. i don't buy that either. we have a motto get through this. you will
everyone i talked to in washington wants to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. and most importantly, they don't want to get the blame for it. that's why republicans will probably be motivate d to negotiate with the white house. it might be christmas eve, but in the end, that's what's going to bring them to the table. >> he said after a week or two, there would be the negotiations. he said instead of a cliff, it was like a curb. david, if americans, though, are going to blame the gop more...
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fiscal cliff talks are they a nonstarter? >> i tell you, you listen to everything that is being said publicly. you see the president there. it's clear that the election, yes, is over. but the campaign goes on here. you know, i really believe that there two things that are clear from the white house to republicans. we are still in preliminary stages here, which is the good news, considering they are far apart. number two, the white house clearly feels it has the upper hand. it came with the $1.6 billion in new revenues and that's twice what the president was talking about before the election. republicans, obviously, rejecting it out of hand. we all heard by now republican leader in the senate mitch mcconnell laughed at it. there you see some of the provisions there. $600 billion in savings. some of it from medicare, another 50 billion in spending and new spending on infrastructure and stimulus spending. that's something that republicans aren't going to want to go to. the two sides are far apart. here we are on december 1st, th
fiscal cliff talks are they a nonstarter? >> i tell you, you listen to everything that is being said publicly. you see the president there. it's clear that the election, yes, is over. but the campaign goes on here. you know, i really believe that there two things that are clear from the white house to republicans. we are still in preliminary stages here, which is the good news, considering they are far apart. number two, the white house clearly feels it has the upper hand. it came with...
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. >>> investors and traders keep tabs on statement out of this week's fiscal cliff talks, they'll also be watching for friday's release of the november jobs report and what impacts superstorm sandy and those fiscal fears may have had on hiring. meanwhile, the national retail federation is asking congress to step in and stop striking clerical workers who shut down 10 of 14 terminals at two california ports. the group estimates the now week-long strike is costing $1 billion a day. >>> edward glen hayden, managing director and head of global interest rates at morgan stanley, pictured here during his days at goldman sachs is being investigated by commodities and futures regulators. according to "the new york times," the question is whether hayden's trading manipulated the price of treasury futures while he was back at goldman in 2008. >>> news corp. announced the ceo of its uk newspaper operations who took the reins in july of last year is stepping down. >>> swiss banking giant ubs is reportedly close to reaching a $450 million settlement with u.s. and british authorities over an interest
. >>> investors and traders keep tabs on statement out of this week's fiscal cliff talks, they'll also be watching for friday's release of the november jobs report and what impacts superstorm sandy and those fiscal fears may have had on hiring. meanwhile, the national retail federation is asking congress to step in and stop striking clerical workers who shut down 10 of 14 terminals at two california ports. the group estimates the now week-long strike is costing $1 billion a day....
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just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't really see them doing that. >> thank you very much. mr. president. >> meanwhile as nato prepares to deploy patriot missile defenses to turkey, hillary clinton warns syria against moving its chemical weapons. >> this is a red line for the united states. i'm not going to telegraph in any specifics what we are would do in the event of credible evidence that the assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people, but suffice it to say, we are certainly planning to take action if that eventuality were to occur. >> and while washington buzzes over this video tribute to clinton, some are
just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't...
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about the fiscal cliff. we don't know a lot about what they talked about. the meeting was about an hour long. they had white turkey chili and southwestern chicken salad. but molly, this is the first time they've seen each other since the election. what do you say beyond congratulations, mr. president? >> goodness knows. it's pretty telling that the most newsworthy item out of that meeting was the lunch menu. the readout we got from the white house was very sort of boilerplate. we do know what didn't happen, unless there's something they're not telling us. romney was not offered a job or a post in the administration, as some had speculated might happen as sort of a conciliatory gesture. who knows if he would have taken that or wanted something like that. it was sort of very tepid, the language that we got, that they would work together in the future if opportunities arose on issues they were both interested in, and they discussed american leadership in the world, which is about the closest you can come to say
about the fiscal cliff. we don't know a lot about what they talked about. the meeting was about an hour long. they had white turkey chili and southwestern chicken salad. but molly, this is the first time they've seen each other since the election. what do you say beyond congratulations, mr. president? >> goodness knows. it's pretty telling that the most newsworthy item out of that meeting was the lunch menu. the readout we got from the white house was very sort of boilerplate. we do know...
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negotiators are going to talk about specific proposaals for both sides to avoid that fiscal cliff. tracy pots joins us from washington with all the details. good morning to you. >> good morning, everyone. a number of high level but individual meetings scheduled here today on capitol hill with really just a handful of lawmakers who could have a big impact on your paycheck. tim giter in and rob neighbors bring the deficit cutting plan to capitol hill today. >> reporter: negotiators are meeting with boehner and top democrats. they heard the plan wednesday at the white house. at least one thinks there could be a deal here. >> if i were involved in the negotiations like this and everybody was purporting to be where they are, i would say that an agreement is reachable. >> i'm hopeful. it wouldn't put me anywhere near optimistic. >> reporter: one conservative is suggesting that while negotiations continue, congress should stop tax rates going up on the middle class now. >> we're not going to raise taxes on those people. i think we should make that clear to everybody. >> reporter: bottom l
negotiators are going to talk about specific proposaals for both sides to avoid that fiscal cliff. tracy pots joins us from washington with all the details. good morning to you. >> good morning, everyone. a number of high level but individual meetings scheduled here today on capitol hill with really just a handful of lawmakers who could have a big impact on your paycheck. tim giter in and rob neighbors bring the deficit cutting plan to capitol hill today. >> reporter: negotiators...
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let's talk about the fiscal cliff. you've been part of many of a political standoff. senate majority leader from '89 to 1995. how wide is the chasm between what we are seeing and hearing on cable news outfits and in newspapers, how wide is the gap between that and what is actually transpiring behind closed doors? >> it's pretty wide. look both sides are trying to accomplish two things at the same time. and they mutually contradictory. one is they want to convey to the broad american public that they're reasonable, they're willing to compromise, they're not obstructionist. at the same time, they want to convey to their partisans we're not going to cave in. and so you get one message in the morning, another in the afternoon and kind of a mixture of them in the evening. >> how do you think it plays out? >> i think the president is in a very strong position. the election was pretty clear and decisive result. the american people now regard by significant numbers, the republicans as obstructionists. i think they have a very important objective, the republicans do, that is t
let's talk about the fiscal cliff. you've been part of many of a political standoff. senate majority leader from '89 to 1995. how wide is the chasm between what we are seeing and hearing on cable news outfits and in newspapers, how wide is the gap between that and what is actually transpiring behind closed doors? >> it's pretty wide. look both sides are trying to accomplish two things at the same time. and they mutually contradictory. one is they want to convey to the broad american...
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details ahead. >>> meanwhile, washington was abuzz over avoiding the looming fiscal cliff. the president's lunch with mitt romney, the united nations note on palestine. all this as joe biden was christmas shopping. >>> and some amazing random acts of kindness. good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. and today the first of the two grand prize powerball winners will come forward to reveal themselves and have their lives change forever. and there's also buzz about a potential code within the winning numbers. nbc's kerry sanders has that story. >> reporter: in tiny dearborn, missouri, where just about everyone knows everyone, the question is was it one of their own who bought a winning powerball ticket? >> it's exciting, very exciting. we never, ever thought that we would sell the winning ticket, and here it is. we did. >> reporter: folks in this farming community just off interstate 70 are now trying to figure out if the winning numbers were chosen with meaning. dearborn is but 35 miles north of kansas city, home of the royals baseball team. those winning lottery numbers? they
details ahead. >>> meanwhile, washington was abuzz over avoiding the looming fiscal cliff. the president's lunch with mitt romney, the united nations note on palestine. all this as joe biden was christmas shopping. >>> and some amazing random acts of kindness. good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. and today the first of the two grand prize powerball winners will come forward to reveal themselves and have their lives change forever. and there's also buzz about a potential...
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. >> i wanted to ask you about the current arguments about the fiscal cliff. and your perspective as senior editor who has seen so many of these negotiations in the past. mitch mcconnell's office issued a state, it's a negative one indeed. he says, in part that today they took -- they meaning the white house -- took a step backward moving away from consensus significantly closer to the cliff delaying again the real balanced solution that this crisis requires. of course we'll see a lot of posturing from both sides. are you persuaded that the administration needs to, and is prepared to do enough, on the medicare side, on the entitlement side, as well as getting these revenues, you know, from the republicans, concessions that speaker boehner says are on the table? >> well, i think the question of what's enough is a big question. but i have felt that both sides were going to be turning some toward the middle and the congress was going to catch up with the citizenry on all of this. i mean i am not -- i cannot possibly be described as a deeply informed about the fis
. >> i wanted to ask you about the current arguments about the fiscal cliff. and your perspective as senior editor who has seen so many of these negotiations in the past. mitch mcconnell's office issued a state, it's a negative one indeed. he says, in part that today they took -- they meaning the white house -- took a step backward moving away from consensus significantly closer to the cliff delaying again the real balanced solution that this crisis requires. of course we'll see a lot of...
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proposal to avert the fiscal cliff. >> i don't know much about the government. is that a good sign if they make a proposal? >> when you do that to me, i know you're not taking me seriously, right? >> sometimes getting really stupid offers, also not polite. >>> plus, an update on the condition of the former president george h.w. bush. he had a health scare in houston yesterday. we're going to tell you how he's doing this morning. >>> but first let's get to the news live at 5:30 here at 30 rock in new york city. this morning, president obama departs to pennsylvania where he will continue his campaign sales pitch on how to solve the country's fiscal challenges. yesterday treasury secretary tim geithner met with republicans to unveil the white house's budget proposal which includes $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue over ten years as well as $50 billion in additional stimulus spending. with limited details on spending cuts, the gop's reaction, less than encouraging. senator mitch mcconnell reportedly burst into laughter while geithner was in the middle of outlining ob
proposal to avert the fiscal cliff. >> i don't know much about the government. is that a good sign if they make a proposal? >> when you do that to me, i know you're not taking me seriously, right? >> sometimes getting really stupid offers, also not polite. >>> plus, an update on the condition of the former president george h.w. bush. he had a health scare in houston yesterday. we're going to tell you how he's doing this morning. >>> but first let's get to the...
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it comes around the issue of the fiscal cliff talks about what the party wants to be. whether there's going to be a tea party 2 or whether there's something of a vacuum that doesn't get filled with demint leaving the senate. >> all right. david, thank you so much. we'll be watching "meet the press" this sunday as we do every sunday. eugene, thank you as well. your latest column online at washingtonpost.com. >> guard that mustache, gene. >> i'm going to guard it with my life. >> and congressman emanuel cleaver, great to have you on set with us. >>> coming up, nbc chief white house correspondent chuck todd. and later in the show, "the economist" crunched the numbers and came up with the best countries to be born in in 2013. and the united states does not top their list. we'll find out who does ahead on "morning joe." [ male announcer ] there are plenty of reasons to be jolly at the chevy year-end event because chevy's giving more. more efficiency with sonic and cruze... more function in equinox and traverse... more dependability with the legendary silverado... and more s
it comes around the issue of the fiscal cliff talks about what the party wants to be. whether there's going to be a tea party 2 or whether there's something of a vacuum that doesn't get filled with demint leaving the senate. >> all right. david, thank you so much. we'll be watching "meet the press" this sunday as we do every sunday. eugene, thank you as well. your latest column online at washingtonpost.com. >> guard that mustache, gene. >> i'm going to guard it with...
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about what is going on actually with the fiscal cliff. or the fiscal curve or molehill, depending how you characterize this thing. seem likes we're going to hear bad news, bad news, bad news until we hear good news which is to say everybody's in their corners but it sounds like, according to your libelist publication, there may be -- >> i'm not an attorney. >> i just play one on tv. there may be the outlines of a real deal with actual numbers. >> yeah, sort of. but we knew that. you know, i think what's going on, and ryan having covered shoulder to shoulder this wonderful show we call congress, the more pessimistic and the more you see the top of john boehner's head in the press conference, and you try to strain to hear his grumbling, the more of a sense you get they're moving closer. nastier the stuff gets, the closer you know you are to a resolution. >> don't take a victory lap, we need serious leadership from the white house would bear out glenn's point. >> right. when a fish show starts, the crowd -- >> wow! i hope nobody actually cat
about what is going on actually with the fiscal cliff. or the fiscal curve or molehill, depending how you characterize this thing. seem likes we're going to hear bad news, bad news, bad news until we hear good news which is to say everybody's in their corners but it sounds like, according to your libelist publication, there may be -- >> i'm not an attorney. >> i just play one on tv. there may be the outlines of a real deal with actual numbers. >> yeah, sort of. but we knew...
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but i do think that they would talk about fiscal cliff. they'd talk about tax reform. they'd talk about entitlements because, i mean, say what you will about mitt romney. i mean, he does have some ideas. and you would hope that he would come to the table without the pressure of the campaign, without the pressure of being the republican nominee, but just a businessman, american who thinks that he has some ideas to solve these problems, that he would be honest and truthful with what he would want to offer. but the other thing is, i don't think, though, what the base would want the president to say to him is what about the 47%? what about this gifts thing you said about me? the president's not going to do that. >> they're not going to talk about any of that. >> not at all. >> i think there's a long history of these kinds of touchy feely meetings and feel good. the idea that romney's going to engage in this budget thing and be helpful, chuck, i'd love to know what you think, but i don't really see that happening. >> reporter: no, that's not going to be the case. i mean, th
but i do think that they would talk about fiscal cliff. they'd talk about tax reform. they'd talk about entitlements because, i mean, say what you will about mitt romney. i mean, he does have some ideas. and you would hope that he would come to the table without the pressure of the campaign, without the pressure of being the republican nominee, but just a businessman, american who thinks that he has some ideas to solve these problems, that he would be honest and truthful with what he would want...
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about the fiscal cliff negotiations and the politics of it. how do these numbers effect, if you feel it effects at all the ongoing negotiations? >> first, for the unemployment we would have heard that obama cooked the preelection numbers. and and, second, i'm glad that secretary solis said we don't need more push, particularly benefiting the unemployment and that's got to be part of the fiscal cliff negotiations that. is something that the republicans have to deal with. and i think the republicans and making sure that the debt ceiling is extended for a long time because the one thing that could hurt the economy even more than going off some curb or cliff or slope is if we had a rep tilgs of the debt ceiling battle that we had in 2011. >> so in your view right now, you think that we're past -- potentially past the tax reform question? it's about not the stimulus money but the debt ceiling negotiation and it's important because many communities are not impacted by private sector job growth and need the public sector jobs that the stimulus would
about the fiscal cliff negotiations and the politics of it. how do these numbers effect, if you feel it effects at all the ongoing negotiations? >> first, for the unemployment we would have heard that obama cooked the preelection numbers. and and, second, i'm glad that secretary solis said we don't need more push, particularly benefiting the unemployment and that's got to be part of the fiscal cliff negotiations that. is something that the republicans have to deal with. and i think the...
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he is in pennsylvania at the toy factory talking fiscal cliff. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks with his wife, danielle, almost every weekend. derrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time. [ shirley ] things are sometimes a little tight around the house. i wasn't able to go to the wedding. [ emily jo ] since derrell couldn't get home, we decided to bring home to him and then just gave him a little bit of help finding his way. ♪ [ laughs ] [ applause ] i love you. i love you, too. side by side so you get the same coverage, often for less. that's one smart board. what else does it do, reverse gravity? [ laughs ] [ laughs ] [ whooshing ] tell me about it. why am i not going anywhere? you don't believe hard enough. a smarter way to shop around. now that's progressive. call or click today. [ grunting ] >>> mitt romney made it to the oval office yesterday, but not quite in the way he'd envision ed it. the two former rivals talked for over an hour over white turkey chili
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it's not a fiscal cliff but a slope. it's a gradual one. >> stooe, it's not right on to talk about people when they're right there. have some manners. do it behind their back. really, it's got for morale. there's a study and everything. >> if you can't say something nice to something, come on over here and tell it to me. no worries, you're among friends here. it's "the cycle." >>> two big developments on the economic front. first the unemployment numbers for november came out and they were way better than expected. we added a net gain of 146,000 jobs and the unemployment rate dropped to 7.7%, the lowest in four years. to steal a little from krystal, it appears it's obama and boehner one on one. there's no i in team but there's one in win, which is why the fiscal slope negotiations are getting serious. we haven't heard yet from the president but have heard from speaker boehner. >> this isn't a progress report, because there's no progress to report. the white house has wasted another week. it's time for the president, if h
it's not a fiscal cliff but a slope. it's a gradual one. >> stooe, it's not right on to talk about people when they're right there. have some manners. do it behind their back. really, it's got for morale. there's a study and everything. >> if you can't say something nice to something, come on over here and tell it to me. no worries, you're among friends here. it's "the cycle." >>> two big developments on the economic front. first the unemployment numbers for...
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much of this week was dominated by the looming fiscal cliff. we've heard a lot of talk, a little progress, and several signs that this debate may go up to the last minute. >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. >> times have changed significantly and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't. >> if the president's willing to accept 80% of the bush tax cuts for 98% of the american people, and make them permanent, i think that is a point we should agree on. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. >> the president has made his proposal. we need a proposal from them. >> those are the highlights. let's brin
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. >>> today in his first interview since winning re-election, president obama talked about the fiscal cliff standoff. he put his foot down on what is negotiable and what is not. >> we have to say the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to get a deal without it. understand the reason for that. it's not me being stubborn. it's not me being partisan. it's just a matter of math. i'm happy to entertain other ideas the republicans may present, but we are not going to cut our way to prosperity or cut our way out of the deficit problem we have. >> so, are we on the verge of something big, something that could really change our politics? joining me now, senator barbara boxer, democrat from california and whip of the senate. thank you for being on the show. >> i love being on your show. thank you. >> if the gop agrees to tax increases, how important might that be in terms of showing they actually are capable of working with the president? >> you know, the way they raised the question, if they agree to tax increases, they claim they're willing to do these loop-hole closers but the dif
. >>> today in his first interview since winning re-election, president obama talked about the fiscal cliff standoff. he put his foot down on what is negotiable and what is not. >> we have to say the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to get a deal without it. understand the reason for that. it's not me being stubborn. it's not me being partisan. it's just a matter of math. i'm happy to entertain other ideas the republicans may present, but we are not going to cut our...
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. >> chris, i think to some extent the market has priced in the notion we would go over the fiscal cliff -- >> you're wrong. no. everybody -- who you talking to? i keep talking to people and they -- who you talking to? >> i actually spoke with a source the other day who is in washington, he's an attorney, who said, listen -- >> a lawyer? >> a lawyer but speaks to a lot of folks that are wall street type who says the market could take it for a couple of weeks. >> the cake is baked and they think the intelligence of politicians is up to this challenge. >> but wall street doesn't really have a lot of faith in this process to be able to get done. they have priced in just a little bit that this could happen for a while. maybe not for months, but you wouldn't see the market necessarily crash like the next day. you'd have time. i think if they came back on january 3rd and they didn't have a deal, you would be able to sustain it for a while because they'd do a deal really quickly -- >> this isn't an ideological difference. this is a matter of perception and world view. i believe if they don't ha
. >> chris, i think to some extent the market has priced in the notion we would go over the fiscal cliff -- >> you're wrong. no. everybody -- who you talking to? i keep talking to people and they -- who you talking to? >> i actually spoke with a source the other day who is in washington, he's an attorney, who said, listen -- >> a lawyer? >> a lawyer but speaks to a lot of folks that are wall street type who says the market could take it for a couple of weeks....
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you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. 31 days until we reach the fiscal cliff. we'll get the latest on who is talking to whom and whether they're going to take us to the edge. also, who is lindsey graham calling, quote, crazy bastards on the senate floor? here is a hint. it all has to do with guantanamo bay and with the resignation of jesse jackson jr. from the halls of congress, what will become of the legacy of his famous father? we'll talk about that as well. we start here. the republican thrashing of the president's potential pick for secretary of state continued this week. ambassador susan rice did not seem to do herself any favors. meetings with top republicans on the hill, with several says their discussions left them more troubled. president obama and this cabinet stood by her. >> mrs. rice is extraordinary. i couldn't be prouder of the job that she has done. [ applause ] >> and joining me now from the white house, nbc news correspondent viqueira. vic, will the gop continue its pile-on of the ambassador? will it have the opposite effect of hardening the
you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. 31 days until we reach the fiscal cliff. we'll get the latest on who is talking to whom and whether they're going to take us to the edge. also, who is lindsey graham calling, quote, crazy bastards on the senate floor? here is a hint. it all has to do with guantanamo bay and with the resignation of jesse jackson jr. from the halls of congress, what will become of the legacy of his famous father? we'll talk about that as well. we start here. the...
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would occur after the fiscal cliff deadline. the senate will organize itself at the start of the new year. so boehner's making threats that really have very, very little to do with reality. unfortunately, that seems like a lot of his approaches to this whole fiscal cliff debate. >> john nichols, great to have you with us. >>> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay with us. >>> we are a country of unlimited opportunity. we want the world's best and brightest to come here. >> house republicans pass an immigration bill. xavier becerra calls divisive and inferior. he's here to explain why, next. >>> the nation's first fast food strike is a historic protest for workers rights. the workers are fighting back and we'll tell you what it's all about. >>> and the white house debuts their first beau obama christmas video. but how does it stack up to barney cam? >> you're going to have to learn about the national parks if you want to be a junior park ranger. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for wat
would occur after the fiscal cliff deadline. the senate will organize itself at the start of the new year. so boehner's making threats that really have very, very little to do with reality. unfortunately, that seems like a lot of his approaches to this whole fiscal cliff debate. >> john nichols, great to have you with us. >>> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay with us. >>> we are a country of unlimited opportunity. we want...
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if we all end up diving off this fiscal cliff, it doesn't make the deficit worse. it makes the deficit better. it would go a long way toward curing the deficit, but the deficit isn't the immediate problem for most people, the weak economy is. >> i agree. >> and if we dive off the fiscal cliff, the economy could get much weaker. that's -- >> by the way -- >> -- millions of americans. it's a problem for barack obama. >> just to back you up, i really think the great thing is the economy is just starting to lift up a. the unemployment rate is really starting to come down. we're getting good job production. thank you so much, ladies, for coming on tonight. thanks for the sharp thinking we got tonight. >>> up next, if you can't win by the rules, change then. that's what republicans are trying to do in pennsylvania. they don't like the lerer toal college because it didn't work for them. come back for the place for politics. derate alzheimer's, you'll also care about our new offer. you get access to nurses who can help with your questions. and your loved one can get exelon
if we all end up diving off this fiscal cliff, it doesn't make the deficit worse. it makes the deficit better. it would go a long way toward curing the deficit, but the deficit isn't the immediate problem for most people, the weak economy is. >> i agree. >> and if we dive off the fiscal cliff, the economy could get much weaker. that's -- >> by the way -- >> -- millions of americans. it's a problem for barack obama. >> just to back you up, i really think the great...
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cliff, he has done nothing to demonstrate it. the position of congressman tom cole, that the party should agree immediately to extend the bush tax rates for americans making less than $250,000 a year is the best of a bunch of bad choices for the gop. >> the g 0 op is boxed in saying it's a terrible position because by default democrats get what they want. a big bargaining chip for house republicans is they need congress to raise the debt ceiling before the end of february when analysts estimate the treasury would run out of options and hit the borrowing cap. no deal is reached. closer to the deadline and today they will argue that's bad for business. help in supporting an approach without drama or delay a. >> we can't be going through another debt crisis, debt ceiling crisis like in 2011. that has to be dealt with. >> the president of the business roundtable has said congress should raise the debt ceiling enough for the next five years to avoid uncertainty. clearly that's something that won't happen. short term spending cuts shou
cliff, he has done nothing to demonstrate it. the position of congressman tom cole, that the party should agree immediately to extend the bush tax rates for americans making less than $250,000 a year is the best of a bunch of bad choices for the gop. >> the g 0 op is boxed in saying it's a terrible position because by default democrats get what they want. a big bargaining chip for house republicans is they need congress to raise the debt ceiling before the end of february when analysts...
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when we talk about what's going to happen with the fiscal fiasco, it's a cliff, a political construction. 18% of federal grants to states are at risk. when we hear from governor malloy, what it means for connecticut, it's devastating. one of the things that means is that we have to look at what it means to think about federal support. states are actually the distribution vehicles for important programs to support people to feed their families. if you just take the woman and infant nutrition program, which is one of the programs we are looking at being slashed, you are talking about people who actually are trying to feed their families working 12 hours a day. states are actually the distribution sources for that. a lot of those funds do come from the federal government. when we cut them, we put states like connecticut in the position they are in. >> there was a trick play. the stimulus came in and said -- >> that's the recovery act, right? >> the recovery act. in that package, we are going to increase your medicaid reimbursement. no one made the changes they might otherwise have made beca
when we talk about what's going to happen with the fiscal fiasco, it's a cliff, a political construction. 18% of federal grants to states are at risk. when we hear from governor malloy, what it means for connecticut, it's devastating. one of the things that means is that we have to look at what it means to think about federal support. states are actually the distribution vehicles for important programs to support people to feed their families. if you just take the woman and infant nutrition...
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fiscal cliff here and basically, i mean, i know next to nothing about the fiscal cliff or the negotiations that are going on. is your sense that there's more going on behind the scenes than what we talk about or what's in the papers? >> you know, i love -- no. there's not. i mean -- >> you mean we're right? >> no, it's one of those -- it's amazing. i think we all assume oh, there's got to be real stuff going on. this is just -- and maybe this is an elaborate ploy, right, that the president and boehner said okay, we're going to do all this and then magically we'll bring it all together as everybody feels everything's going to heck in a handbasket. but no, there's not a lot going on sort of behind the scenes. there isn't a backroom -- yes, rob neighbors who's the chief congressional liaison for the white house, he checks in daily with boehner's and mcconnell's office, but there's not real negotiations going on like we saw in the last ten days. but i also am a little bit of -- i think everybody should just go to -- you know, go to sleep, wake up on december 14th when there's about a week to g
fiscal cliff here and basically, i mean, i know next to nothing about the fiscal cliff or the negotiations that are going on. is your sense that there's more going on behind the scenes than what we talk about or what's in the papers? >> you know, i love -- no. there's not. i mean -- >> you mean we're right? >> no, it's one of those -- it's amazing. i think we all assume oh, there's got to be real stuff going on. this is just -- and maybe this is an elaborate ploy, right, that...
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and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle class families and middle class earners the most. and so it really is -- i don't want to make this about class warfare. it's really about what is fiscally smart for the economy. most economists are telling us this tax increase will not have very much impact in terms of growth. if you talk about essentially raising taxes on 98% of americans either through some kind of crazy deduction plan or just letting the bush tax cuts go, that can have a very, very severe effect on the economy. >> as usual dr. peterson makes a superb point. president clinton used to say if you want to live like a republican,
and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle...
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past the fiscal cliff for six months or maybe even a year to try to get the bigger package. >> so if halperin thinks biden's going to be the definer here, i'm a little concerned because anyone who goes to costco does not care about spending money. >> it's a fascinating question. eugene robinson, i must ask you -- we love joe. joe's amazing. >> he's perfect. >> does tom cole this morning feel a bit like uriah being sent out front only to be slaughtered? yes, let's be generous, let's talk about raising taxes, though i'm one of the most conservative conservatives. let's be responsible like the media's told us to be responsible. and then the president comes out with his offer, and everybody's just staring at him. he's going to be primaried. >> well, he could be primaried. i think that's the risk he ran. i think tom cole, what he said was smart, actually, and would be smart for the republicans to take. >> yeah, if you live in georgetown. >> to take a deal with 98%. look, what the president has done is put out a sort of maximalist opening position, and the way i look at it, it gives boehne
past the fiscal cliff for six months or maybe even a year to try to get the bigger package. >> so if halperin thinks biden's going to be the definer here, i'm a little concerned because anyone who goes to costco does not care about spending money. >> it's a fascinating question. eugene robinson, i must ask you -- we love joe. joe's amazing. >> he's perfect. >> does tom cole this morning feel a bit like uriah being sent out front only to be slaughtered? yes, let's be...